@Marcel, I've edited that 'last comment' to make it clear.
For fruiting (after soaking) you need kind of a fruiting chamber anyway. This could be the initial bag. Or you can use plastic growbox/monotub, where you can put the cake after soaking and provide fruiting conditions. You can't just remove the cake from the bag and leave it at room conditions.
This bag/growbox/monotub with the cake you can place on the table or shelf (don't keep it on the floor!).
BTW, here is a full story by @Max on the forum here: https://shroomok.com/forum/get-feedback-advice-on-mushroom-cultivation/29/all-in-one-bag-issues
Tell me pls, have you already harvested mushrooms from the current all-in-one block with APE or TW? Or are you trying to trigger fruiting right now?
What does TWA means? Tidal Wave?
Is it your first growing experience?
"What to do for the best result for such cakes"– depends on your current knowledge and experience :-)
You can create a thread on forum, describe timing and details on your bag, describe your expectations and attach photos of your bag, so I can check it and we'll decide what to do next
Well, just want to make it clear about last coment.Also have a All in one bag and wonder if I should leave the cake on the wire rack or plate in the room on the table or where to put it...thanks
@Mountainous, if mold noticed on the mushroom fruit bodies — never eat moldy shrooms, just as you wouldn't eat moldy bread, fruits, or veggies! If you found a small sample of mold on the mycelium, then seal this area with salt or H2O2 application (as I described in the guide) in order to prevent mold from spreading during harvesting and then pick your good-looking mushrooms.
However, if everything green on the cake I wouldn't recommend to take such mushrooms, especially if you're not 100% sure what type of green mold on the cake – Trichoderma, Penicillium, Aspergillus etc.
No need to burn your clothes, just wash it or wear smth like medical gown or PE raincoat. Btw, sealing the moldy area also protect your clothes.
Clean the tub and tools with bleach.
You can create a forum thread with photos attached (Click "Get help for free" yellow button in the header), and I'll take a look.
Very often growers confuse mold with bruises. Or, conversely, a “small area” from grower's optimistic perspective may be not small at all :-)
If small amount of trichoderma is found on a cake during fruiting phase, is it safe to consume the mushrooms? Obviously I would harvest outside, burn clothes, sterilize tools and tub but prefer not to lose the harvest.
This experiment was shared by member of Shroomok Discord community:
- What's your airation parameters? Aka gas
- Grower: Sterile air to begin with. Built a box with HEPA filter and UVC bulb in it and put aquarium pump in there.
All will be inoculated from the same plate. 3 will be airated. 1-24/7, 1 - 2/7 and 1 - 3/7
- So what's your negative control?
- Grower: 2 will be control one of which has stir bar. And one will be untouched. I had a 6th but lost him in the PC.
- You should do one O2 airated one airated, one Co2 airated and one untouched. I would tell you airation prob won't help but that's not the spirit of science.
- Grower: O2 setup is still coming. Need to find 02 tank. I have cO2 but no O2 atm. Need to also build Seperate boxes for that... Initial experiment was done on a budget.
- Fair enough!
- Grower: Also thinking about it I don't really want to know if O2 works... Because if it does it will be expensive. Unless I make a little eltro O2/hydrogen generator 🤣
- I mean if it works it's cool and good to know but not like a dealbreaker. I.e if it works, good to know. But like also you could just wait a little and you'll get the same result ya know.
- Grower: The impatient gremlin in my head would always know. Now I wait. First thing to notice is bubbles are an awesome agitator. See next photo here
~ 1 day later~
Grower: Woke up to my first failure this morning with the airated LC experiment 😞 turns out the humidity here and the air pump = lots of moisture in the lines which is saturating and blocking the syringe filters In the top of the jars.
I'll need to make a moisture trap inline
@RoccoDiGuiseppe сongratulations on your first successful grow!
Don't hesitate to share your results and post some photos on forum;) https://shroomok.com/forum
Just harvesting Jack Frost for the first time ever. I didn't get a lot, yet. Im expecting to get some real pulls. I really wanted to learn more about these And look up about it's strength too.
Less than if they were normal full-grown mushrooms. But mutant blobs were fine and there were some normal mature mushrooms as well. They weren't weighted
@Ikaruz, very often Psilocybe Cubensis Mexicube strain is confusing with Psilocybe Mexicana, but they are NOT the same. It's different species!
Quick reference: due to scientific classification (Genus -> Species -> Strain) their genus Psilocybe is the same, but the next "word" in naming Cubensis and Mexicana means different species. And the last "word" like Escondido means strain within the species (within Cubensis).
It would be great if you could start a thread on the forum, reply to my questions (see below), and add some photos of your monotub and perhaps grain jars at https://shroomok.com/forum so I can check them out and we can discuss your case. I need to SEE it!
Anyway, here are my thoughts / questions for now:
Do you want your cake to fruit and produce Tampanensis fruit bodies, I mean MUSHROOMS themselves? Or just truffles? Or both?
If you’re after truffles you could skip the S2B step and let them develop right in the grain jars. Although, it’s also possible that truffles are forming inside the bulk substrate in your monotub already ;)
To encourage Tampanensis to produce mushrooms (rather than truffles), you need to cover the top of the cake with a casing layer. You mentioned that your tub is almost fully colonized, so go ahead and apply casing! Then provide fruiting conditions right after casing. Casing can help both trigger fruiting and add extra moisture if your cake is (slightly!) dry.
Hi ! Thanks for this detail guide. I hope u can give me some directions cause I’m half way through and idk what to do. So I found this guide a little late and after I spawn my grain jars with liquid culture ( Psilocybe tampanesis) I brake and shake and later on s2b to a monotub. Now I realize I put brown rice when it wasn’t the ideal . Idk if this type of sclerotia it’s gonna grow cause it may be too dry I’ve been spraying spring water on this. This tub it’s almost 100% colonized and I was about to put a casing layer. But after than break and shake idk if I should keep doing it. I also notice the amount of FAE in this strain it’s limited for best results cause basically after sb2 I put it straight to fruiting. So at this point idk what to do.
@kb YES, pre-mixed seed starter mixes based on peat moss/ coir/ vermiculite can totally work. I've even used tomato potting soil for P. Cubensis (as a bulk and pseudo-casing) and cacti soil for a casing layer to fruit Panaeolus and P. Tampanensis.
You can use the substrate as-is, or you can bump it up with gypsum and/or hydrated lime to adjust and stabilize pH. Just check the soil pH on the package first. You don’t need acidic soil! Typically you'll find pH 6.8–7.5, it's good for your purposes. 7.5–8.5 is even better.
As you pointed out, substrate should be fungicide-free 👍 And also without added Trichoderma, which is a common natural root system supporter for cannabis plants, but it’s a real killer for mushrooms. Even though, pasteurization neutralizes Trichoderma it’s safer not to have it in your substrate at all.
Thank you for your warm word and wishing you a magnificent harvests!
I've seen JIffyMix seed starting soil recommended as a casing layer.
It appears to be a very clean mix of peat moss/ coir/ vermiculite that does not contain a fungicide.
My question is - could this kind of mix be used for spawn to bulk substrate?
Or maybe with something added?
I enjoy the convenience of a pre-mixed product and would (of course) pasteurize before using.
Thanks!
And BIG Thank You for this site and the accurate and abundant helpful info you share with the shroom community!
@Marcel, I've edited that 'last comment' to make it clear.
For fruiting (after soaking) you need kind of a fruiting chamber anyway. This could be the initial bag. Or you can use plastic growbox/monotub, where you can put the cake after soaking and provide fruiting conditions. You can't just remove the cake from the bag and leave it at room conditions.
This bag/growbox/monotub with the cake you can place on the table or shelf (don't keep it on the floor!).
BTW, here is a full story by @Max on the forum here: https://shroomok.com/forum/get-feedback-advice-on-mushroom-cultivation/29/all-in-one-bag-issues
Tell me pls, have you already harvested mushrooms from the current all-in-one block with APE or TW? Or are you trying to trigger fruiting right now?
What does TWA means? Tidal Wave?
Is it your first growing experience?
"What to do for the best result for such cakes"– depends on your current knowledge and experience :-)
You can create a thread on forum, describe timing and details on your bag, describe your expectations and attach photos of your bag, so I can check it and we'll decide what to do next
Rehydration of mushroom cakes
I have TWA or APE all in one bag. (comercial bag) what to do for best result for such cakes.
thanks Shroomok for advice
Rehydration of mushroom cakes
Well, just want to make it clear about last coment.Also have a All in one bag and wonder if I should leave the cake on the wire rack or plate in the room on the table or where to put it...thanks
Rehydration of mushroom cakes
@Mountainous, if mold noticed on the mushroom fruit bodies — never eat moldy shrooms, just as you wouldn't eat moldy bread, fruits, or veggies! If you found a small sample of mold on the mycelium, then seal this area with salt or H2O2 application (as I described in the guide) in order to prevent mold from spreading during harvesting and then pick your good-looking mushrooms.
However, if everything green on the cake I wouldn't recommend to take such mushrooms, especially if you're not 100% sure what type of green mold on the cake – Trichoderma, Penicillium, Aspergillus etc.
No need to burn your clothes, just wash it or wear smth like medical gown or PE raincoat. Btw, sealing the moldy area also protect your clothes.
Clean the tub and tools with bleach.
You can create a forum thread with photos attached (Click "Get help for free" yellow button in the header), and I'll take a look.
Very often growers confuse mold with bruises. Or, conversely, a “small area” from grower's optimistic perspective may be not small at all :-)
Green mold contamination aka Trichoderma
If small amount of trichoderma is found on a cake during fruiting phase, is it safe to consume the mushrooms? Obviously I would harvest outside, burn clothes, sterilize tools and tub but prefer not to lose the harvest.
Green mold contamination aka Trichoderma
This experiment was shared by member of Shroomok Discord community:
- What's your airation parameters? Aka gas
- Grower: Sterile air to begin with. Built a box with HEPA filter and UVC bulb in it and put aquarium pump in there.
All will be inoculated from the same plate. 3 will be airated. 1-24/7, 1 - 2/7 and 1 - 3/7
- So what's your negative control?
- Grower: 2 will be control one of which has stir bar. And one will be untouched. I had a 6th but lost him in the PC.
- You should do one O2 airated one airated, one Co2 airated and one untouched. I would tell you airation prob won't help but that's not the spirit of science.
- Grower: O2 setup is still coming. Need to find 02 tank. I have cO2 but no O2 atm. Need to also build Seperate boxes for that... Initial experiment was done on a budget.
- Fair enough!
- Grower: Also thinking about it I don't really want to know if O2 works... Because if it does it will be expensive. Unless I make a little eltro O2/hydrogen generator 🤣
- I mean if it works it's cool and good to know but not like a dealbreaker. I.e if it works, good to know. But like also you could just wait a little and you'll get the same result ya know.
- Grower: The impatient gremlin in my head would always know. Now I wait. First thing to notice is bubbles are an awesome agitator. See next photo here
~ 1 day later~
Grower: Woke up to my first failure this morning with the airated LC experiment 😞 turns out the humidity here and the air pump = lots of moisture in the lines which is saturating and blocking the syringe filters In the top of the jars.
I'll need to make a moisture trap inline
Airated LC experiment. Liquid Culture aeration tek
@Sara these mushrooms are actually ready for harvesting — when the caps are slightly coming away from the stem.
Avalanche mushroom fruiting
Hey there
Just checking in on your experience with LC under aeration.
Airated LC experiment. Liquid Culture aeration tek
How big are these supposed to get?
Avalanche mushroom fruiting
@RoccoDiGuiseppe сongratulations on your first successful grow!
Don't hesitate to share your results and post some photos on forum;) https://shroomok.com/forum
Rich harvest Cubensis Jack Frost magic mushrooms #5
Just harvesting Jack Frost for the first time ever. I didn't get a lot, yet. Im expecting to get some real pulls. I really wanted to learn more about these And look up about it's strength too.
Rich harvest Cubensis Jack Frost magic mushrooms #5
The 2nd-3rd flushes may be better, so just let them grow ;)
You can also try to add casing or pseudo-casing layer — very often it is a game changer!
More details in this section: https://shroomok.com/en/wiki/Making_mushroom_cake,_spawn_to_bulk,_and_casing#Casing
First time growing APEs. Lots of blobs
Sweet I’ve got some that look exactly like that cake right now so I was curious lol
First time growing APEs. Lots of blobs
Less than if they were normal full-grown mushrooms. But mutant blobs were fine and there were some normal mature mushrooms as well. They weren't weighted
First time growing APEs. Lots of blobs
Hey curious to know how these developed? Did they grow big and give you a nice flush?
First time growing APEs. Lots of blobs
@Ikaruz, very often Psilocybe Cubensis Mexicube strain is confusing with Psilocybe Mexicana, but they are NOT the same. It's different species!
Quick reference: due to scientific classification (Genus -> Species -> Strain) their genus Psilocybe is the same, but the next "word" in naming Cubensis and Mexicana means different species. And the last "word" like Escondido means strain within the species (within Cubensis).
How to grow magic truffles Psilocybe Mexicana and Tampanensis
@Lodi you’re very welcome!
It would be great if you could start a thread on the forum, reply to my questions (see below), and add some photos of your monotub and perhaps grain jars at https://shroomok.com/forum so I can check them out and we can discuss your case. I need to SEE it!
Anyway, here are my thoughts / questions for now:
Do you want your cake to fruit and produce Tampanensis fruit bodies, I mean MUSHROOMS themselves? Or just truffles? Or both?
If you’re after truffles you could skip the S2B step and let them develop right in the grain jars. Although, it’s also possible that truffles are forming inside the bulk substrate in your monotub already ;)
To encourage Tampanensis to produce mushrooms (rather than truffles), you need to cover the top of the cake with a casing layer. You mentioned that your tub is almost fully colonized, so go ahead and apply casing! Then provide fruiting conditions right after casing. Casing can help both trigger fruiting and add extra moisture if your cake is (slightly!) dry.
How to grow magic truffles Psilocybe Mexicana and Tampanensis
Hi ! Thanks for this detail guide. I hope u can give me some directions cause I’m half way through and idk what to do. So I found this guide a little late and after I spawn my grain jars with liquid culture ( Psilocybe tampanesis) I brake and shake and later on s2b to a monotub. Now I realize I put brown rice when it wasn’t the ideal . Idk if this type of sclerotia it’s gonna grow cause it may be too dry I’ve been spraying spring water on this. This tub it’s almost 100% colonized and I was about to put a casing layer. But after than break and shake idk if I should keep doing it. I also notice the amount of FAE in this strain it’s limited for best results cause basically after sb2 I put it straight to fruiting. So at this point idk what to do.
How to grow magic truffles Psilocybe Mexicana and Tampanensis
@kb YES, pre-mixed seed starter mixes based on peat moss/ coir/ vermiculite can totally work. I've even used tomato potting soil for P. Cubensis (as a bulk and pseudo-casing) and cacti soil for a casing layer to fruit Panaeolus and P. Tampanensis.
You can use the substrate as-is, or you can bump it up with gypsum and/or hydrated lime to adjust and stabilize pH. Just check the soil pH on the package first. You don’t need acidic soil! Typically you'll find pH 6.8–7.5, it's good for your purposes. 7.5–8.5 is even better.
As you pointed out, substrate should be fungicide-free 👍 And also without added Trichoderma, which is a common natural root system supporter for cannabis plants, but it’s a real killer for mushrooms. Even though, pasteurization neutralizes Trichoderma it’s safer not to have it in your substrate at all.
Thank you for your warm word and wishing you a magnificent harvests!
Making mushroom cake, spawn to bulk, and casing
I've seen JIffyMix seed starting soil recommended as a casing layer.
It appears to be a very clean mix of peat moss/ coir/ vermiculite that does not contain a fungicide.
My question is - could this kind of mix be used for spawn to bulk substrate?
Or maybe with something added?
I enjoy the convenience of a pre-mixed product and would (of course) pasteurize before using.
Thanks!
And BIG Thank You for this site and the accurate and abundant helpful info you share with the shroom community!
Making mushroom cake, spawn to bulk, and casing