@hehue let's imagine you grow mushrooms using the same approach, same substrates, and same colonization & fruiting conditions for ALL strains. It doesn't matter whether you're cultivating Golden Teacher or Tidal Wave – genetic quality will play a major role.
To put it simply-roughly:
If you use MSS, multi spore syringe made of spore print, for inoculation – it always generates many random genetics in one space. How is this possible?
Shrooms need only 2 spores (like Male + Female cells) –> they both propagate –> have love (cross) and exchange with genetic information for reproduction = mycelium producing (this is actually called strain) –> then it multiplies and spreads all over the substrate.
BUT! When you use spore syringe, there are billions of spores and they can create massive amount of such couples. They will compete with each other for nutrients and suppress each other. Eventually, a few winners will prevail, but they will spend a lot of resources for fighting.
Therefore, when you see that mycelium and mushrooms on the same cake look different, and the speed of growth is different, and there are areas with no mushrooms at all – it means that mycelium was produced by different couples in same place.
Like GT here https://shroomok.com/en/wiki/File:golden-teacher-first-grow-ever-0c00ad
Or GT here: https://shroomok.com/en/wiki/File:nice-golden-teacher-fruiting-8fe457
However, you NEVER know and can't predict the final outcome from multi spore cultivation – it may be great, may be average, may be poor.
Completely different story is when you use ISOLATED culture, mycelium created by only ONE couple of spores. Culture isolation requires spending plenty of time (from several weeks to several months) of work with agar (selection and isolation by transfer from agar to agar) or cloning on agar.
In such case, mycelium has no competition; it spreads evenly throughout the substrate and forms perfect mushrooms—as beautiful as the ones typically seen in ads photos. Or, for example, as this isolated GT here: https://shroomok.com/en/wiki/File:Bottle-tek-mushrooms-ready-for-harvesting.jpg
The truth is: you will NEVER get that kind of result from multispore genetics, no matter what kind of strain you have ;-)
GT from all the stuff i got (tidal wave and APE) has grown the worst somehow. after month+ i only got one decent grow, 20 little primordia and 3 early fruits.. while APE is already full of tiny mutant balls and tidal wave had 20 shrooms
@GeorgeS. yes, it's possible to save it and make it fruit. Have you checked this write up? https://shroomok.com/en/wiki/Natalensis_grow_bag_fruiting_and_overlay_problems
LED light is fine, but UV light (and direct sunlight) is not good. More about light for mushrooms I explained here: https://shroomok.com/forum/get-feedback-advice-on-mushroom-cultivation/29/all-in-one-bag-issues#post_148
Superb resource and a gift of your time and expertise to all. I htrust all the good karma you have earned is nourishing your soul and your day. Thank you kindly
That's what I have. Im new to this mushroom growing stuff. So is there any hope for this batch.. also i heard somewhere that led lightning and mycilium don't like each other. Is this astatement true ?
@Marcel, I've edited that 'last comment' to make it clear.
For fruiting (after soaking) you need kind of a fruiting chamber anyway. This could be the initial bag. Or you can use plastic growbox/monotub, where you can put the cake after soaking and provide fruiting conditions. You can't just remove the cake from the bag and leave it at room conditions.
This bag/growbox/monotub with the cake you can place on the table or shelf (don't keep it on the floor!).
BTW, here is a full story by @Max on the forum here: https://shroomok.com/forum/get-feedback-advice-on-mushroom-cultivation/29/all-in-one-bag-issues
Tell me pls, have you already harvested mushrooms from the current all-in-one block with APE or TW? Or are you trying to trigger fruiting right now?
What does TWA means? Tidal Wave?
Is it your first growing experience?
"What to do for the best result for such cakes"– depends on your current knowledge and experience :-)
You can create a thread on forum, describe timing and details on your bag, describe your expectations and attach photos of your bag, so I can check it and we'll decide what to do next
Well, just want to make it clear about last coment.Also have a All in one bag and wonder if I should leave the cake on the wire rack or plate in the room on the table or where to put it...thanks
@Mountainous, if mold noticed on the mushroom fruit bodies — never eat moldy shrooms, just as you wouldn't eat moldy bread, fruits, or veggies! If you found a small sample of mold on the mycelium, then seal this area with salt or H2O2 application (as I described in the guide) in order to prevent mold from spreading during harvesting and then pick your good-looking mushrooms.
However, if everything green on the cake I wouldn't recommend to take such mushrooms, especially if you're not 100% sure what type of green mold on the cake – Trichoderma, Penicillium, Aspergillus etc.
No need to burn your clothes, just wash it or wear smth like medical gown or PE raincoat. Btw, sealing the moldy area also protect your clothes.
Clean the tub and tools with bleach.
You can create a forum thread with photos attached (Click "Get help for free" yellow button in the header), and I'll take a look.
Very often growers confuse mold with bruises. Or, conversely, a “small area” from grower's optimistic perspective may be not small at all :-)
If small amount of trichoderma is found on a cake during fruiting phase, is it safe to consume the mushrooms? Obviously I would harvest outside, burn clothes, sterilize tools and tub but prefer not to lose the harvest.
@hehue let's imagine you grow mushrooms using the same approach, same substrates, and same colonization & fruiting conditions for ALL strains. It doesn't matter whether you're cultivating Golden Teacher or Tidal Wave – genetic quality will play a major role.
To put it simply-roughly:
If you use MSS, multi spore syringe made of spore print, for inoculation – it always generates many random genetics in one space. How is this possible?
Shrooms need only 2 spores (like Male + Female cells) –> they both propagate –> have love (cross) and exchange with genetic information for reproduction = mycelium producing (this is actually called strain) –> then it multiplies and spreads all over the substrate.
BUT! When you use spore syringe, there are billions of spores and they can create massive amount of such couples. They will compete with each other for nutrients and suppress each other. Eventually, a few winners will prevail, but they will spend a lot of resources for fighting.
Therefore, when you see that mycelium and mushrooms on the same cake look different, and the speed of growth is different, and there are areas with no mushrooms at all – it means that mycelium was produced by different couples in same place.
Like GT here https://shroomok.com/en/wiki/File:golden-teacher-first-grow-ever-0c00ad
Or GT here: https://shroomok.com/en/wiki/File:nice-golden-teacher-fruiting-8fe457
However, you NEVER know and can't predict the final outcome from multi spore cultivation – it may be great, may be average, may be poor.
Completely different story is when you use ISOLATED culture, mycelium created by only ONE couple of spores. Culture isolation requires spending plenty of time (from several weeks to several months) of work with agar (selection and isolation by transfer from agar to agar) or cloning on agar.
In such case, mycelium has no competition; it spreads evenly throughout the substrate and forms perfect mushrooms—as beautiful as the ones typically seen in ads photos. Or, for example, as this isolated GT here: https://shroomok.com/en/wiki/File:Bottle-tek-mushrooms-ready-for-harvesting.jpg
The truth is: you will NEVER get that kind of result from multispore genetics, no matter what kind of strain you have ;-)
The magic of Golden Teacher mushroom
GT from all the stuff i got (tidal wave and APE) has grown the worst somehow. after month+ i only got one decent grow, 20 little primordia and 3 early fruits.. while APE is already full of tiny mutant balls and tidal wave had 20 shrooms
The magic of Golden Teacher mushroom
cute
APE mushroom no spores
@Scythianman yes, ready!
Mushrooms can be picked as soon as they open their caps, or just before opening
Tidal Wave fruiting
So when they look like that they ready for picking?
Tidal Wave fruiting
You picked them way way, way too soon!
Yeti magic mushrooms
@GeorgeS. yes, it's possible to save it and make it fruit. Have you checked this write up? https://shroomok.com/en/wiki/Natalensis_grow_bag_fruiting_and_overlay_problems
LED light is fine, but UV light (and direct sunlight) is not good. More about light for mushrooms I explained here: https://shroomok.com/forum/get-feedback-advice-on-mushroom-cultivation/29/all-in-one-bag-issues#post_148
Natalensis growing troubleshooting
@JimmyJ, what a kind comment... it definitely nourished my soul today.
Thank you very much! Wish you all the best 🙏
Disposing of magic mushrooms cakes
Superb resource and a gift of your time and expertise to all. I htrust all the good karma you have earned is nourishing your soul and your day. Thank you kindly
Disposing of magic mushrooms cakes
That's what I have. Im new to this mushroom growing stuff. So is there any hope for this batch.. also i heard somewhere that led lightning and mycilium don't like each other. Is this astatement true ?
Natalensis growing troubleshooting
@Isha, ¡De nada! Me alegra ayudar
Tripping: safety guide
Muy útil! Muchas gracias!
Tripping: safety guide
@GaryNelson if it works, why not! But what's even more tricky and of a question is how do you grow mushrooms?! Or do you pick wild?
How to dry and store psilocybe mushrooms
I dry on red brick in a pot at low temps on a camp stove bc I'm a homeless bum. Tricky.
How to dry and store psilocybe mushrooms
good, very helpfull
Still Air Box for Mycology
@Marcel, I've edited that 'last comment' to make it clear.
For fruiting (after soaking) you need kind of a fruiting chamber anyway. This could be the initial bag. Or you can use plastic growbox/monotub, where you can put the cake after soaking and provide fruiting conditions. You can't just remove the cake from the bag and leave it at room conditions.
This bag/growbox/monotub with the cake you can place on the table or shelf (don't keep it on the floor!).
BTW, here is a full story by @Max on the forum here: https://shroomok.com/forum/get-feedback-advice-on-mushroom-cultivation/29/all-in-one-bag-issues
Tell me pls, have you already harvested mushrooms from the current all-in-one block with APE or TW? Or are you trying to trigger fruiting right now?
What does TWA means? Tidal Wave?
Is it your first growing experience?
"What to do for the best result for such cakes"– depends on your current knowledge and experience :-)
You can create a thread on forum, describe timing and details on your bag, describe your expectations and attach photos of your bag, so I can check it and we'll decide what to do next
Rehydration of mushroom cakes
I have TWA or APE all in one bag. (comercial bag) what to do for best result for such cakes.
thanks Shroomok for advice
Rehydration of mushroom cakes
Well, just want to make it clear about last coment.Also have a All in one bag and wonder if I should leave the cake on the wire rack or plate in the room on the table or where to put it...thanks
Rehydration of mushroom cakes
@Mountainous, if mold noticed on the mushroom fruit bodies — never eat moldy shrooms, just as you wouldn't eat moldy bread, fruits, or veggies! If you found a small sample of mold on the mycelium, then seal this area with salt or H2O2 application (as I described in the guide) in order to prevent mold from spreading during harvesting and then pick your good-looking mushrooms.
However, if everything green on the cake I wouldn't recommend to take such mushrooms, especially if you're not 100% sure what type of green mold on the cake – Trichoderma, Penicillium, Aspergillus etc.
No need to burn your clothes, just wash it or wear smth like medical gown or PE raincoat. Btw, sealing the moldy area also protect your clothes.
Clean the tub and tools with bleach.
You can create a forum thread with photos attached (Click "Get help for free" yellow button in the header), and I'll take a look.
Very often growers confuse mold with bruises. Or, conversely, a “small area” from grower's optimistic perspective may be not small at all :-)
Green mold contamination aka Trichoderma
If small amount of trichoderma is found on a cake during fruiting phase, is it safe to consume the mushrooms? Obviously I would harvest outside, burn clothes, sterilize tools and tub but prefer not to lose the harvest.
Green mold contamination aka Trichoderma